Paul Ryan

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Is Ryan the right choice?

Yes - of course
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58%
Nopes
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Don't know much about him
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby Rosco » Thu Aug 16, 2012

I see the list of votes that are key to Nate's point of view, but the key on the budget that Ryan proposed is he had support for some 'Democrats to get it passed in the house. that it dies in the.
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby Silver Spike » Thu Aug 16, 2012

nubktobk wrote:Romney just lost all chance of getting my vote as Ryan keeps putting in budgets to get rid of Railroad Retiremnt. I paid extra for 35 years into this to have a good retirement and now he wants to take it away.

Any chance he would give back what extra I paid in plus interest. NOT

He sucks IMO


Tough decision I guess. I'm not going to believe the Union scare tactics that Ryan's budget will become reality and that the senseless Railroad Retirement clause can make it all the way through (not a snowballs chance in hell). I am going to believe that a 2nd Obama Term will kill the coal industry, my good health benefits, flood the country with new "Amnesty" citizens, dilute the Supreme Court once again with a activist and also try to do the gun grab.

I am not a Romney/Ryan fan either but I don't see any other realistic option

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby mnymgr1 » Thu Aug 16, 2012

sorry to say, no clue what some of above comments mean.

at the convention, they are going to try and dump Romney from the ticket? Really? Come on, no one actually believes that do they ? So a guy is going to campaign for months as the repub. candidate, he gets replaced with Ron Paul, and voila RP wins the election. Yeah, sure. It would be one of the greatest margins of victory ever for the dems.

I thought we all agreed at this site that the dems and repubs are pretty much the same party, didn't we???? Some are trying to make a point that Paul Ryan is too similar with his past voting record to everyone else, repub and dem. Well, they're all the same party essentially, not surprising at all I think.

I know a bunch of people here want someone like Ron Paul to drive up, slash spending everywhere, make the govt. fiscally sound, etc, etc. It's not going to happen guys. The seniors don't want their medicare or ss cut. The poor don't want their free food cut. If obamacare gets going, none of the unemployed are going to want to give back their free/inexpensive healthcare, ever. There are going to be no dramatic changes to the federal govt until it has to change. It will only make those changes if countries stop lending us money and right now, we are still king of the hill.

So my point is that while they are the same party, voting for the repub ticket may keep our govt. solvent longer than a dem controlled govt would. In fact, we should not be rooting for an insolvent federal govt even if us metal people were to benefit greatly from the event. If you had gangrene in a foot, you don't hope it gets worse quicker so you can have your foot cut off. You should be hoping to staunch the disease progress until a cure can be found. I guess that is how I would view my situation and you may not.

Not trying to get under anyone's skin here, really not. But I don't understand how anyone who is not a democrat could vote for BHO in the upcoming election.
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby UkonCornelius1776 » Thu Aug 16, 2012

Purple and Gold wrote:Well Mitt got it half right, the Paul part is correct,,but it should have been Rand Paul if he really wanted to win this election,,this decision makes me wonder exactly what is going on here :?


If obummer wins I would LOVE to see a Paul Ryan Rand Paul ticket in 2016

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby UkonCornelius1776 » Thu Aug 16, 2012

nubktobk wrote:Romney just lost all chance of getting my vote as Ryan keeps putting in budgets to get rid of Railroad Retiremnt. I paid extra for 35 years into this to have a good retirement and now he wants to take it away.

Any chance he would give back what extra I paid in plus interest. NOT

He sucks IMO


I do feel sorry for your generation, the government sold you lies that they would take care of you in order to have you pay into a program that they KNEW they would loot. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, ALL PONZI SCHEMES and they WILL end regardless of who gets elected. If the government finds money it will spend it, regardless if it was designed to be a "lock box" account, just look up the 1983 Greenspan Commission.

I do not blame you for being upset but your anger is misguided, there is likely no money left in the "Railroad Retirement" account anyway, I promise you it is like every other government pension or retirement, it has been SQUANDERED!! I would like the money I paid into Social Security back too, it is unethical to steal my money for a program you KNOW is unsustainable and there is no mechanism for me to "opt out." How can anyone misconstrue this as a free nation when the government FORCES you to be part of a program you do not want to be a part of, steals your money for the unsustainable program with no recourse, we should all be disgusted.

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby nubktobk » Thu Aug 16, 2012

As for scare tactics by the unions on this maybe? But I believe the government sees where there is funds in the RR and they want to end it so they can confiscate it to spend, pump SS or whatever.

Is RR broke NO.

http://www.rrb.gov//opa/qa/pub_1207.asp

Here some correct facts about Railroad retirement:

Prepared by Public Affairs 312-751-4777 July 2010

The Railroad Retirement Board (RRB) is required by law to submit annual financial reports and triennial actuarial valuations to Congress on the financial condition of the railroad retirement system, as well as annual financial reports on the railroad unemployment insurance system. These reports must also include recommendations for any financing changes which may be advisable in order to ensure the solvency of the systems. In June, the RRB submitted its 25th Actuarial Valuation of the railroad retirement system's assets and liabilities, and its financial report on the railroad unemployment insurance system.

The following questions and answers summarize the findings of these reports.

1. What were the assets of the railroad retirement and railroad unemployment insurance systems last year?

As of September 30, 2011, total railroad retirement system assets, comprising assets managed by the National Railroad Retirement Investment Trust and the railroad retirement system accounts at the Treasury, equaled $23.6 billion. The Trust was established by the Railroad Retirement and Survivors' Improvement Act of 2001 to manage and invest railroad retirement assets. The cash balance of the railroad unemployment insurance system was $58.7 million at the end of fiscal year 2011.

2. What was the conclusion of the 25th Actuarial Valuation of the financial condition of the railroad retirement system?

The conclusion was that, barring a sudden, unanticipated, large drop in railroad employment or substantial investment losses, the railroad retirement system will experience no cash-flow problems during the next 23 years. The long-term stability of the system, however, is not assured. Under the current financing structure, actual levels of railroad employment and investment return over the coming years will determine whether additional corrective action is necessary.

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby mtforpar » Thu Aug 16, 2012

This is at the nut of the problem. People have been paying into retirement systems for years and planning on them. Those systems were full of promises that could not be kept. The promises should have never been made. They were ridiculous then and they are ridiculous now. But as politicians do they kicked the can down the road and union bosses grabbed whatever they could with no thought for the future.

How can we pay people for 60 years when they do 20 years of work? You end up with 2 people retired and one working! The promises will be broken...one way or another.

I do feel for individuals caught up in this though. They are mostly good people who were just trying to do the best for themselves and their families.
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby GoldGoldandGold » Thu Aug 16, 2012

mtforpar wrote:This is at the nut of the problem. People have been paying into retirement systems for years and planning on them. Those systems were full of promises that could not be kept. The promises should have never been made. They were ridiculous then and they are ridiculous now. But as politicians do they kicked the can down the road and union bosses grabbed whatever they could with no thought for the future.

How can we pay people for 60 years when they do 20 years of work? You end up with 2 people retired and one working! The promises will be broken...one way or another.

I do feel for individuals caught up in this though. They are mostly good people who were just trying to do the best for themselves and their families.

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Re: Paul Ryan

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby GoldGoldandGold » Thu Aug 16, 2012

mtforpar wrote:Now you know why Yahoo is going out of business. ;)

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby InfleXion » Thu Aug 16, 2012

I'm with Nate on this one. I don't know if he's with me on this next part :lol: but I don't see any reason to vote for either candidate. With the Henry Kissinger groomed Obama we get NDAA, Obamacare, and a guy who has no respect for the Constitution or our freedoms. With the Goldman Sachs funded Romney we get to invade Iran and piss off the giants, China for obvious reasons, and Russia with the strongest currency in the world right now (highest positive real interest rates). I could almost be swayed to vote for Romney to revoke Obamacare, regardless of his running mate, almost, but there is one phrase that boils it down for me -
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby natsb88 » Thu Aug 16, 2012

InfleXion wrote:I'm with Nate on this one. I don't know if he's with me on this next part :lol: but I don't see any reason to vote for either candidate. With the Henry Kissinger groomed Obama we get NDAA, Obamacare, and a guy who has no respect for the Constitution or our freedoms. With the Goldman Sachs funded Romney we get to invade Iran and piss off the giants, China for obvious reasons, and Russia with the strongest currency in the world right now (highest positive real interest rates). I could almost be swayed to vote for Romney to revoke Obamacare, regardless of his running mate, almost, but there is one phrase that boils it down for me -
Left wing, right wing, same bird of prey.

I was never going to vote for Obama. I'm not a fan of Romney, but I was keeping an open mind to see who he would surround himself with before I made a decision. Had he pulled in Rand or Ron Paul as VP, or claimed he would name Ron Paul as Secretary of the Treasury or Chairman of the Fed, or pulled Peter Schiff in as a financial advisor, or found something for Tom Davis....anything really to indicate that he at least had some sincere interest in fiscal conservatism or libertarian policies, I would seriously consider voting for him.

But then he chose Paul Ryan, who is a neoconservative at best. So it looks like my registered-republican vote will either be going to Gary Johnson or writing in Ron Paul.

The GOP has been shooting itself in the foot for the last decade or so. It reminds me a lot of my church...the board is mainly elderly people who have been there for 30+ years and are set in their ways. Sunday school groups and the youth group have proposed ways to make services and church events a little more modern and appealing, individuals have volunteered to play some different music and instruments during services, etc. But the people in charge don't want anything to change. As a result, attendance and offerings have steadily declined for the last 10 years, and now the pastor is retiring and it's questionable whether they can even find/afford a permanent replacement. Ron Paul was the GOP's chance to fire up a huge youth segment and bring that energy into the Republican party, the same type of energy that helped Obama win last time, as well as pull in a large group of independents. Instead, party establishment has done everything possible to quash that enthusiasm and distance the party from those conservative and libertarian ideas. They are killing their own party.

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby natsb88 » Thu Aug 16, 2012

I would again encourage anybody who likes Paul Ryan to take a few minutes and look over his voting record. There's a quick summary in my first page post. His financial/budget rhetoric is pretty good, but his voting record is abysmal. If you still like him after knowing his history, that's fine by me. I just don't like to see people get tricked into supporting somebody through misleading media and campaigning without knowing their real record.

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby BoxofGold » Thu Aug 16, 2012

Nate, I 100% agree with you. That being said, Chairman Maobama is so bad for this country, shouldn't we do everything we can to get rid of him? OTOH, a second term for BO may just take us to critical mass that forces a reset. The problem is that the sheeple may make that reset not at all what we were expecting.
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby MaxGravy » Thu Aug 16, 2012

I cannot vote for either one of these charlatans. No way. Write in: None of the above.
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby mtforpar » Thu Aug 16, 2012

In a nutshell a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama. I am voting against Obama more than for anyone else. He has failed in every measurable criteria.
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby GoldGoldandGold » Thu Aug 16, 2012

mtforpar wrote:In a nutshell a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama. I am voting against Obama more than for anyone else. He has failed in every measurable criteria.


1000% agree. It is an election to choose the best between the two. If neither of them are what you wanted, you still should select the best and try to make a compromise with your principles and with the principles of the guy you voted for.
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby natsb88 » Thu Aug 16, 2012

GoldGoldandGold wrote:1000% agree. It is an election to choose the best between the two. If neither of them are what you wanted, you still should select the best and try to make a compromise with your principles and with the principles of the guy you voted for.

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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby GoldGoldandGold » Thu Aug 16, 2012

natsb88 wrote:
GoldGoldandGold wrote:1000% agree. It is an election to choose the best between the two. If neither of them are what you wanted, you still should select the best and try to make a compromise with your principles and with the principles of the guy you voted for.

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then elect Mr. O. no big deal :lol:
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Re: Paul Ryan

Postby b4/Vj()z » Thu Aug 16, 2012

As my Libertarian mentor, John Vernon, once opined, "The lesser of two evils is still evil."
MaxGravy wrote:I cannot vote for either one of these charlatans. No way. Write in: None of the above.
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