Russian hacking?

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Did Russia directly &/or indirectly hack the 2016 election process?

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Russian hacking?

Postby dru708 » Sun Dec 11, 2016

Did Russia 'interfere' in the election process? Thru leaks, fake news, etc.
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby Rik Bitter » Sun Dec 11, 2016

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. I haven't seen any proof, just assertions from the spooks <sarc> and they're super-trustworthy</sarc> The CIA says the Russians hacked the DNC and RNC and only released the DNC stuff to Wikileaks. Assange says the Ruskies aren't the source of the DNC stuff and the RNC says they weren't hacked.

Show me some proof or it's just smoke.

Assange denail: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/us-election-julian-assange-says-wikileaks-didnt-receive-clinton-emails-russia-702683

RNC denail: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/priebus-denies-report-rnc-was-hacked-232483

Dru, you forgot the "Who the fluff knows" option in your poll so I didn't vote.
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby Tractor Man » Mon Dec 12, 2016

I need a "who the fluff knows" option too. I have searched and searched and I simply cannot find an unbiased report about it. Kinda scary. If the CIA, FBI, POTUS, ... anyone ... wants me to believe anything like this, I'll need to see it. They're gonna need to take me through the entire "this is how we know" trail. Otherwise its just a media soundbite.
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby Long John » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Rik Bitter wrote:Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.


I agree. Mr. Trump and his Twitter Army do not, however.

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby xelint » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Engineer wrote:
Rik Bitter wrote:Dru, you forgot the "Who the fluff knows" option in your poll so I didn't vote.


I voted innocent until proven guilty.


So, the servers and phones hacked themselves :pop:

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby dru708 » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Ya I had thought about the 'who the fluff knows' option.

I was really thinking about a 'gut' reaction.
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby MasterBlaster » Mon Dec 12, 2016

What about the "false flag" possibility that John Bolton mentioned? Why would Russia leave any "fingerprints" that would lead the hack to them? Maybe a member much smarter than I can explain if it's possible to totally not leave "fingerprints."
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby TTrav » Mon Dec 12, 2016

It kinda seems that way. Regardless though, I through investigation should be done to find out what specifically was done, who was targeted, and any effect that it had. If it did happen, we should be more cautious and protected for future elections.

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby SilverDoge » Mon Dec 12, 2016

This guy Murray claims to know who the "insider" whistleblower (leaker) is... and agrees with Assange that it isn't the Russians.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-1 ... stroys-the
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby xelint » Mon Dec 12, 2016

SilverDoge wrote:This guy Murray claims to know who the "insider" whistleblower (leaker) is... and agrees with Assange that it isn't the Russians.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-1 ... stroys-the



So the DNC announcing that their servers had been hacked before any information or emails were released was them realizing that they had a whistle blower? If so then they would know who that person was and from everything else we know about that Clinton's then that person would be dead so it doesn't hold much water. Then the same whistle blower got access to Podesta's phone?

Murray's whole argument is that why has the US not extradited the person/people responsible? If it was state sponsored then the person would be in the KGB or GRU and there for would not be extraditable.

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby Rik Bitter » Mon Dec 12, 2016

xelint wrote:
Engineer wrote:
Rik Bitter wrote:Dru, you forgot the "Who the fluff knows" option in your poll so I didn't vote.


I voted innocent until proven guilty.


So, the servers and phones hacked themselves :pop:


We know Clinton's homebrew email server and the DNC were hacked because the emails were leaked. The question is, who did it.

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Re: Russian hacking?

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby SilverDoge » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Wouldn't the NSA have the ability to trace this hack job to confirm if it were the Russians or not ...

Snowden thinks so: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/12/ ... more-64031
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby mtforpar » Mon Dec 12, 2016

This is classic self-limiting behavior, it is simply an excuse to cover up or draw attention from their own failure. It wasn't the Russians or the so called Fake News that cause the Democrats to lose this election. They would be better served looking into the mirror for that is where the answers are located.
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby Long John » Mon Dec 12, 2016

mtforpar wrote:This is classic self-limiting behavior, it is simply an excuse to cover up or draw attention from their own failure. It wasn't the Russians or the so called Fake News that cause the Democrats to lose this election. They would be better served looking into the mirror for that is where the answers are located.


I agree with this. Not that Putin didn't have his propaganda monkeys flood social media with fake stories, knowing Trump fans would gleefully spread them far and wide; he might well have. But even if true, the Democrats fumbled 2016 badly. They had the superior president-making machine, and blew it in their arrogance. They (and the media) misread the electorate and how that would play out in the Electoral College. They know it, too. I worry that they are in fact looking in the mirror and will be better prepared for 2020 than the Republicans.

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby Leprechaun gold » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Yet again ,everyone looking for the hacker and ignoring the content :thumbdown: . Glad that lying bitch and her crew were hacked, don't see many denials about the content ?
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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby jcz1 » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Members of congress FROM BOTH SIDES who were briefed seem to agree that Russia was behind this. Both the CIA and the FBI agree on this point. What seems to be in dispute is the motive.

The CIA tends to reach conclusions more easily than the FBI. Some say this is because the FBI may be thinking along the lines of what can be proven in court. This would make sense because that is what they do, while the CIA doesn't worry about courts.

Just because someone or some country does something to influence the election toward the outcome that in fact occurred does not mean that the act was THE reason for said outcome, or even had an impact at all. Who is saying that Trump won because of this?

A report on GMA this morning stated that Russia tried to hack the GOP but were much less successful. The motive doesn't really matter here. We need to better protect against hacking, and it seems the Dems could learn a thing or two about this from their opponents.

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby dru708 » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Republican McConnell criticizes GOP reluctance on Russia reports

In a news conference on Monday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell joined the chorus of officials from both sides of the political spectrum calling for an investigation into Russia's potential impact on the U.S. presidential election. "The Russians are not our friends," he said.

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby dru708 » Mon Dec 12, 2016

Mike Pence Admits ‘Evidence’ Points To Russia Interfering With U.S. Elections

It’s a break from what his running mate, Donald Trump, has been saying.

Oct 16, 2016 <- important

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Re: Russian hacking?

Postby Double3 » Mon Dec 12, 2016

What exactly was hacked?

That the Democrats and the media got caught with their hands in the cookie jar?

Freaking circus.


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