Will Trump start and finish the wall - POLL

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Will Trump start and finish the wall along the southern border within his 4 years in office?

Yes
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27%
No
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61%
Only if he gets a second term
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12%
 
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Postby tdtwedt » Sun Jan 28, 2018

Over 100 Migrants Found Dying of Asphyxiation in Tractor-Trailer Headed for Texas

According to immigration officials, the migrants showed signs of acute dehydration and asphyxia leading authorities to rush medical personnel to the scene to provide needed care. The ones that showed the worst signs were 39 underage teens and children, of those, 10 were unaccompanied.


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Postby tdtwedt » Tue Jan 30, 2018

Agents stop semitrailer with 76 immigrants inside in Texas

Authorities say a semitrailer driver is in custody after he was found to be transporting 76 immigrants in Texas.

The U.S. Border Patrol said in a statement Monday that the immigrants were discovered Friday at a checkpoint on U.S. 83, about 35 miles (56 kilometers) north of Laredo in South Texas.

The immigrants are from Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. Thirteen were unaccompanied minors.


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Postby tdtwedt » Tue Apr 03, 2018

Trump: We Will Guard Our Border With Our Military

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the US military will be used to guard the US-Mexico border.

“We are going to be guarding our border with our military. That’s a big step,” Trump told reporters gathered at the White House. “We cannot have people flowing into our country illegally, disappearing, and by the way never showing up for court.”


http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/03/trump ... -military/

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Postby t458 » Tue Apr 03, 2018

I wonder how many who voted for 'yes' or 'no' because they themselves want or don't want the wall built, instead of believing that Trump will be able to build it or not. The way he and the WH operates, he's unlikely to get anything done, wall or anything else.

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Postby jcz1 » Tue Apr 03, 2018

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.
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The text of the relevant legislation is as follows:

18 U.S.C. § 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

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Postby SilverDoge » Tue Apr 03, 2018

jcz1 wrote:
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.
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The text of the relevant legislation is as follows:

18 U.S.C. § 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

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Defending our national borders from foreign invaders is "enforcing domestic policies" in your opinion? Sure glad you aren't in charge of anything military related. It is interesting how people (media, neocons) are okay with Trump bombing Syria or conducting cyber warfare or drone warfare in countries where we've not even declared war. But defending our own actual borders is not worthy of military force. I'm sure it has nothing to do with democrats wanting to import votes.
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Postby iron-pyrite » Tue Apr 03, 2018

solution to wall cost issues:

No mans land border areas actively patrolled by drones or a pillbox / anti personal missile system.

Cross at the right spots or don't cross.

Sharks with freaking laser beams on their heads would work as well.
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Postby jcz1 » Wed Apr 04, 2018

Trump to send National Guard troops to the border. Typically, these units are called up by governors of the state itself, so if a governor thought this was needed, why wasn't it done before? Maybe this way the Feds have to pay for it instead of the state. Either way, it's expensive:

Sending National Guard troops to the border is not unprecedented. Both of Trump's predecessors also did so, though the moves were criticized as costly and of limited effectiveness.

US law limits what the troops can do. Federal law prohibits the military from being used to enforce laws, meaning troops cannot actually participate in immigration enforcement. In the past, they've served in support roles like training, construction and intelligence gathering.

From 2006 to 2008, President George W. Bush deployed 6,000 guardsmen to southern border states, costing $1.2 billion and assisting with 11.7% of total apprehensions at the border and 9.4% of marijuana seized in that time.

From 2010 to 2012, President Barack Obama sent 1,200 guardsmen to the border to the tune of more than $110 million, and they assisted with 5.9% of the total apprehensions and 2.6% of the marijuana seizures on the border.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/politics ... index.html

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Postby iron-pyrite » Wed Apr 04, 2018

If gaurd troops are used they quality for federal department of veterans affairs bennifits. Including education and healthcare. Cost $$$$ to high unless emergent. The figures above are just the initial cost.
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Postby mtforpar » Wed Apr 04, 2018

Its expensive ...but so it just letting illegals pour across the border and set up residence for a lifetime of benefits.
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Postby iron-pyrite » Wed Apr 04, 2018

Back to the drones and fully auto pill boxes.
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Postby Operadad » Sat Apr 07, 2018

We can keep our illusion that most illegals come across our southern land border. Actually we get more illegals by air or water .... or surprisingly by land across our Canadian border. Oh, and by the way, by country, most illegals deported so far under prez trump?? From the British isles.. most done very quietly .

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Postby SilverDoge » Sun Apr 08, 2018

Operadad wrote:We can keep our illusion that most illegals come across our southern land border. Actually we get more illegals by air or water .... or surprisingly by land across our Canadian border. Oh, and by the way, by country, most illegals deported so far under prez trump?? From the British isles.. most done very quietly .


This Operadad guy has some interesting viewpoints. For some background, back in August 2017 he was advocating for us basically starting World War III by preemptively bombing Korea and taking out Kim with a Seal Team. All because Kim made some over-the-top statements, and killed a member of his own family. :?
http://bullionstacker.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=28340&start=40#p543006

It perplexes me how someone can be so passionate about wanting us to disarm entire nations across the globe, but when it comes to securing our own national border - is seemingly very against the idea. Our country is slowly losing its identity, but is that a surprise when we import millions of illegals who have no allegiance to America?

Those of us in favor of building a wall to maintain our national sovereignty, don't think we should just stop there. It is the first step, both physically, and politically, that shows we are serious about our immigration policy. You have entire States that want to become sanctuary locations. And what allegiance does a migrant from Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, or Panama who speaks no English and illegally enters our country, have to America? Answer: none. And for some reason we are surprised when those with no allegiance to America or her Constitution feel no qualms about wanting to silence their opponents (1st Amendment) or disarm law-abiding citizens (2nd Amendment). The Constitution means nothing to them, so why should we honor it?
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Postby jcz1 » Sun Apr 08, 2018

SilverDoge wrote:And what allegiance does a migrant from Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, or Panama who speaks no English and illegally enters our country, have to America? Answer: none.


I don't know about the no-English part, but there are about a thousand undocumented immigrants who are willing to give their lives for the country to which they supposedly have no allegiance. :roll:

https://www.military1.com/legal/article ... portation/

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Postby iron-pyrite » Sun Apr 08, 2018

jcz1 wrote:
SilverDoge wrote:And what allegiance does a migrant from Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, or Panama who speaks no English and illegally enters our country, have to America? Answer: none.


I don't know about the no-English part, but there are about a thousand undocumented immigrants who are willing to give their lives for the country to which they supposedly have no allegiance. :roll:

https://www.military1.com/legal/article ... portation/



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I served with a few non-citizens. You don't need to be a citizen to serve. Also look at the percentage of MOH recipients by national origin. Corn-fed white boys are at the bottom of that list. I am one of them. Not MOH but corn and white. Original origin does not equal Allegiance.
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Postby SilverDoge » Sun Apr 08, 2018

iron-pyrite wrote:
jcz1 wrote:
SilverDoge wrote:And what allegiance does a migrant from Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, or Panama who speaks no English and illegally enters our country, have to America? Answer: none.


I don't know about the no-English part, but there are about a thousand undocumented immigrants who are willing to give their lives for the country to which they supposedly have no allegiance. :roll:

https://www.military1.com/legal/article ... portation/



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I served with a few non-citizens. You don't need to be a citizen to serve. Also look at the percentage of MOH recipients by national origin. Corn-fed white boys are at the bottom of that list. I am one of them. Not MOH but corn and white. Original origin does not equal Allegiance.


It is interesting how people bend over backwards to use an exception to prove the rule. Of course there are some who choose to earn citizenship with military service. I've met plenty. They are the overwhelming exception to the millions of illegals entering the country. But hey, why not let everyone in because a few are willing to make the sacrifice?

Virtue signaling has become so strong that even semi-conservatives are being sucked into it. Congrats. CNN will still never appreciate you.

Are you really trying to imply that the majority of MoH recipients are not Americans?
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Postby natsb88 » Sun Apr 08, 2018

1000 out of 11 million = 0.009%. That is nine one-thousandths of one percent. :lol:

Good on those 1000, but does that really grant the other 10,999,000 impunity?

And I'm not even a supporter of the wall :?

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Postby iron-pyrite » Mon Apr 09, 2018

Oh, I just make sh*t up. BTW. I don't really care enough to use facts. Kinda like the news these days. Feelings are more important. Or at least that's what I have learned to be fact these days.
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Postby t458 » Mon Apr 09, 2018

The wall is a terrible idea. It would stand as a permanent humiliation of Mexico. In the long run it would translate to greater cost to the US than the illegals. The US has only two neighbors and it builds wall against one? It would look very embarrassing.


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