Flu Shots

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Did you get a flu shot this year? Choose Yes or No plus one comment.

Poll ended at Tue Jan 19, 2016

Yes
18
23%
No
15
19%
Yes, I'm a believer!
7
9%
Yes, because my employer requires it.
5
6%
Yes, but it never does any good.
1
1%
Yes, but it always makes me sick.
0
No votes
Not yet but I intend to.
1
1%
No, but I use to.
4
5%
No, I never get sick anyway.
8
10%
No way! There's ___ in that crap!
18
23%
 
Total votes: 77

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Re: Flu Shots

Postby blackrabbit » Tue Jan 05, 2016

rahbii wrote:My in laws are pretty adamant about getting the shots for them and family. Curiously, every year they get the flu immediately afterwards (one year it was H1N1). I've never been stuck by the needle and never been sick. Probably just a coincidence.


I have seen too many similar coincidences to getting the shot. The one year I got it I got the flu. This past year my Grandmother passed away. Everyone in her nursing home is required to get the flu shot every year yet the flu ran rampant through the whole facility. My grandmother got sick too, and had complications and never recovered. Now she was an old lady and I would not say the flu killed her but it helped push her over. So obviously to me the shots are quite ineffective at best and probably somewhat harmful. I will never get another one unless I got some awesome job I really loved, but required the shot, and then I would get the nasal one so whatever is in the vaccine does not get put directly into my blood stream.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby BarsandStars » Tue Jan 05, 2016

Recluse wrote:
MaxGravy wrote:
Recluse wrote:
agnostic wrote:I just stick to Royalty Juice. Better than any old flu shot.


I probably shouldn't even ask, but what the hell is Royalty Juice?


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Re: Flu Shots

Postby InfleXion » Tue Jan 05, 2016

In my last bout of research on this, flu shots were roughly 60% effective for existing flu strains, and mostly ineffective for the upcoming season's strain because it hasn't hit yet.

I am of the opinion that these are mostly useless, and I also have unproven concerns about the potential for altering human DNA which is a contributor toward behavior (docilization), which mostly stems from the huge PR campaign to get people to get the shot even though they aren't effective, and the fact that you have to get a new one each year instead of being a one-time deal like most vaccines.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby TTrav » Tue Jan 05, 2016

Recluse wrote:
agnostic wrote:I just stick to Royalty Juice. Better than any old flu shot.


I probably shouldn't even ask, but what the hell is Royalty Juice?

Colloidal Silver. Before you spend any money on it, I have tried my best to find any reputable medical journal that had any sort of evidence of any benefit to immunity or anything. As far as I can tell, there isn't any. At the risk of being the odd man out here, I would consider it to be purely placebo effect until any good evidence shows otherwise.

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Re: Flu Shots

Postby Engineer » Tue Jan 05, 2016

TTrav wrote:
Recluse wrote:
agnostic wrote:I just stick to Royalty Juice. Better than any old flu shot.


I probably shouldn't even ask, but what the hell is Royalty Juice?

Colloidal Silver. Before you spend any money on it, I have tried my best to find any reputable medical journal that had any sort of evidence of any benefit to immunity or anything. As far as I can tell, there isn't any. At the risk of being the odd man out here, I would consider it to be purely placebo effect until any good evidence shows otherwise.


Without profits for the pharmaceutical companies, what are the odds of that research happening?

Or if it does, making it through the predudice of peer review boards?
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby Justfishin » Tue Jan 05, 2016

TTrav wrote:
Recluse wrote:
agnostic wrote:I just stick to Royalty Juice. Better than any old flu shot.


I probably shouldn't even ask, but what the hell is Royalty Juice?

Colloidal Silver. Before you spend any money on it, I have tried my best to find any reputable medical journal that had any sort of evidence of any benefit to immunity or anything. As far as I can tell, there isn't any. At the risk of being the odd man out here, I would consider it to be purely placebo effect until any good evidence shows otherwise.


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Re: Flu Shots

Postby natsb88 » Tue Jan 05, 2016

No way. The flu shot is a crap shoot. They have to start making them many months before they know what strain will be prevalent in the coming flu season, so for many regions it turns out to be totally ineffective. I know as many or more people who got sick shortly after the shot, or got sick worse than usual later in the season after the shot, than people who got the shot and didn't get sick. I don't know whether that's due to the shot actually causing illness, or just due to the shot being ineffective, but either way even being 60% effective (which seems high) is a pretty lousy performance for something advertised so heavily and/or made mandatory by employers/institutions. Even that 60% can't be credited entirely to the shot, some people have stronger immune systems than others and wouldn't have gotten sick even without the shot.

This coming from someone who suffered "swine flu" on a college campus. A couple guys went to Mexico over a break and brought it back, eventually infecting over half the campus :roll:

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Re: Flu Shots

Postby carssman » Tue Jan 05, 2016

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Re: Flu Shots

Postby Super Stacker PCB » Tue Jan 05, 2016

Never have and only had the flu once. I travel so much the flu would keep me at home for a couple of days, so bring it on.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby Purple and Gold » Tue Jan 05, 2016

I have never taken a flu shot.
During the flu season I try to practice Franklin's " an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby BarsandStars » Tue Jan 05, 2016

Purple and Gold wrote:I have never taken a flu shot.
During the flu season I try to practice Franklin's " an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby TTrav » Tue Jan 05, 2016

Engineer wrote:
TTrav wrote:
Recluse wrote:
agnostic wrote:I just stick to Royalty Juice. Better than any old flu shot.


I probably shouldn't even ask, but what the hell is Royalty Juice?

Colloidal Silver. Before you spend any money on it, I have tried my best to find any reputable medical journal that had any sort of evidence of any benefit to immunity or anything. As far as I can tell, there isn't any. At the risk of being the odd man out here, I would consider it to be purely placebo effect until any good evidence shows otherwise.


Without profits for the pharmaceutical companies, what are the odds of that research happening?

Or if it does, making it through the predudice of peer review boards?

Tons of research is done on herbs and supplements. You might not find a year long placebo controlled double blind study with a thousand participants, but usually you'll find something. Big pharma doesn't fund everything.
Justfishin wrote:Silver's anti-bacterial properties must count for something

Absolutely. Store your water in it. Coat your doorknobs with it. It'll kill a lot of bacteria and virus'! I sure as hell wouldn't ingest it though. Silver is mildly toxic and tends to accumulate.

carssman wrote:Just like any mineral our bodies require, silver through generation after generation of fertilizers and GMO production is becoming scarce for everyday nutrition. In essence we are suffering from silver deficiency. Our bodies require it to properly function and just like an iron deficiency; will take its toll on the human body if not treated.

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What function does silver serve in our body? I've been in healthcare for more than a decade now. When I see iron deficiency, usually the patient gets iron in one form or another. I have never seen silver prescribed. While I don't have the time to go through them all, the vast majority of the studies that you posted were either in vitro which are kinda useless or showing that a week or two of colloidal silver doesn't seem to be harmful. Unless I were to be able to find any sort of basic, reasonably well done study to show a benefit of oral colloidal silver I would consider it either placebo or harmless as a best case scenario, or snake oil as a worst case scenario.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby BigBamboula » Tue Jan 05, 2016

The flu shots will provide some protection from the three or four strains that seem to be circulating six months earlier, it is totally a crap shoot. Getting sick from the shot is your body recognizing the vaccine and developing an immune response, you're not actually getting the flu (from the shot.).

The nasal dose is made from weakened live virus, so you're kind of getting the flu and you will "shed" virus for about ten days. In other words, it makes you infectious, so be careful around enfants and compromised individuals if you go that route.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby blevdawgAg47 » Tue Jan 05, 2016

My wife works in the medical field. This has been a heated topic for us for a few years. There are few things that I put my foot down on, and not jabbing our children has been one of them. She was pretty convinced of the benefits of flu shots until her 90 year great-grandmother was hospitalized not once, but three years in a row after getting the flu shot, that my wife administered. Our daughter is also autistic, and I suspect it was caused by one or more of the slew vaccines she got when she was a toddler, before I had ever heard of vaccine injuries.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby bigjohn » Tue Jan 05, 2016

I get it because I have a little one at home. I also required everyone who wanted to visit the baby in the first 3 months to have one. I am not a strong believer and only got one in the past 5 years or so. I agree that it's a crap shoot but it's one where you won't bet on and roll snake eyes but you also won't roll a seven. Worth getting, especially if it's free.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby Double3 » Tue Jan 05, 2016

blevdawgAg47 wrote:My wife works in the medical field. This has been a heated topic for us for a few years. There are few things that I put my foot down on, and not jabbing our children has been one of them. She was pretty convinced of the benefits of flu shots until her 90 year great-grandmother was hospitalized not once, but three years in a row after getting the flu shot, that my wife administered. Our daughter is also autistic, and I suspect it was caused by one or more of the slew vaccines she got when she was a toddler, before I had ever heard of vaccine injuries.

My wife is in the medical field as well but she insists out kids get them.

I absolutely will not.
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby b4/Vj()z » Tue Jan 05, 2016

Let's see . . . you wish to inject me with the flu???????????
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby Engineer » Tue Jan 05, 2016

TTrav wrote:
Justfishin wrote:Silver's anti-bacterial properties must count for something

Absolutely. Store your water in it. Coat your doorknobs with it. It'll kill a lot of bacteria and virus'! I sure as hell wouldn't ingest it though. Silver is mildly toxic and tends to accumulate.


A few years ago, pharmacists would have claimed the same of zinc. :pop:
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Re: Flu Shots

Postby fredzoyt » Wed Jan 06, 2016

This is an interesting thread. :pop:

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Re: Flu Shots

Postby wjruth » Wed Jan 06, 2016

I started getting them after our fist kid was born. He was 6 weeks premature and spent 3 weeks in the NICU. Now we have two kids, both in school bringing home all kinds of germs. So far, no flu for us.
I work for a pharmacy company and they give them free. I know the virus strains they include are baseline and then best guesses. Their best guess is better than nothing, so I go with it.


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